The Impact of your Broker Choice on your Trading Results

Post

Usually most traders focus most of their efforts on the search for a good system or to get optimal returns on their investment.

What most traders don’t realize however, is that a good broker can have a large impact on those expected returns. And as you’ll find out in this article, spending time on selecting a good broker can certainly pay off.  Big time.

Since 2007 there has been an explosion in the number of available to the retail trader. While there were only a few to choose from four or five years ago now the number would be in the hundreds, if not higher. While we are spoiled for choice, choosing the right broker can still be daunting task.

When comparing , traders tend to base their primary ranking on the following criteria:

  1. Spreads
  2. Commission
  3. Type of broker: Dealing Desk, Straight Through Processing, ECN etc
  4. Regulation
  5. Customer service

No surprise: the spread tops the list, as it’s a quick and easy way to compare brokers. However, before diving into the nitty gritty of how spread and pricefeed can influence your trading results, let’s start with dividing brokers into two buckets first: Dealing Desk/Market Maker brokers and the Non-Dealing Desk brokers. Because that’s where a lot of trouble starts.

 

 

Dealing Desk/Market Maker brokers

This type of brokerage is probably the first to come to market. These brokerage houses trade on their own equity (they have little or no access to liquidity providers) and “make the market”. This usually means they take the opposite of your trade on their own account.

For example: the “Dealer” receives an order from you to go long, and if he accepts your order he might take the short position or match that with another order from another client who wants to go short at that time (so their order book is ‘balanced’ and their own exposure is now reduced).

One of the main tasks of the Dealer is to ensure the broker maximizes and reduces its own exposure to a minimum. To maximize and reduce his exposure, the Dealer has access to numerous tools to manage his business and balance his orderbook.

TulipFX Profitable Forex Trading   dealer 01 The Impact of your Broker Choice on your Trading Results

In the screenshot above, you’ll see just one example of how the Dealer can actually ‘manipulate’ your order. The Dealer can choose to delay your order, reject it, or issue a requote and offer you a different price. Note how they can increase price and spread at free will.

The business model of these types of brokers is simple: maximize returns on spread, delaying orders, filling orders at different price requests (requotes) to ensure the odds are even more against you. Moreover, when the balance in the orderbook allows, they can initiate stophunts by moving price up or down in quick spikes to trigger your stops.

Below you’ll find screenshots from the Market Maker Handbook, showing the Quote tool.

TulipFX Profitable Forex Trading   dealer 02 The Impact of your Broker Choice on your Trading Results

As you can see, the broker (Dealer) can adjust the spreads on a global level for each pair and add the spread to the quotation flow in the pricefeed. This is called “mark-up on the bid”, and will alter the actual pricefeed and thus impact your EA results.

 

Can this get any worse?

Unfortunately, yes. For example, have a look at another tool brokers have at their disposal, the Virtual Dealer Plugin, developed by Metaquotes, the same developers that gave you Metatrader4.

With this tool, forex brokers can stack the odds even more against you. They can manually or automatically delay execution, slip your trades, trigger stops and stopouts, and even –silentlly and temporarily (!) -  adjust your leverage to enforce a margin call.

But don’t take our word for it, have a look at the screenshots below:

TulipFX Profitable Forex Trading   virtualdealer 02 The Impact of your Broker Choice on your Trading Results

TulipFX Profitable Forex Trading   virtualdealer 03 The Impact of your Broker Choice on your Trading Results

If you’re interested in reading more about this, the complete PDF can be downloaded here.

 

So how do we know what games your broker might be playing…?

Well, there is hope. Have a look at this video:

MT4 Virtual Dealer Plugin and Suspicius Broker Activity Detection – 4xSentinel

The guys from 4xTrader.net seem to have developed a great tool called 4xSentinel to detect suspicious broker activity. We’re testing it at the moment on our live accounts. If you want to know more about this tool, have a look at their website: 4xtrader.net

 

Non-Dealing Desk brokers

These brokers play a different role. They basically ‘pass on orders’ to their liquidity providers. Non-Dealing Desk (NDD) brokers are often also called Straight-through Processing (STP) or Electronic Communication Network (ECN) brokers. More info on what the differences are and how they operate can be found here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MT4_ECN_Bridge

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_Communication_Network

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_exchange_market (also shows major liquidity providers)

The business model of these brokers is relatively simple: they receive commission on every order placed from the trader and might receive commission from their liquidity providers as well, based on volume. Alternatively, they can ‘pad the spread’ to make money.

The liquidity providers these brokers rely on are usually large banks, and most of the NDD brokers are connected to the interbank feed via a bridge, allowing them to put every order straight through to the interbank network.

Since they don’t manage their own orderbook, these brokers tend to be more honest for the trader, as they don’t have to manipulate orders and/or take the opposite side of our trade to make money. However, they can still ‘influence’ the trade by marking up the spread and delaying orders. Also, if they don’t have access to good liquidity, your orders might be filled at a worse price (slippage).

Please do realize that NDD brokers who advertise “no commission charges” are the ones you want to avoid, as they get income from padding the spread using the tools described above, and thus influence the pricefeed. Now, some of them might claim they get their revenues from their liquidity providers based on transaction volume, so check with them first.

We feel the true ECN broker charging a commission is the one type of broker that has the least incentive to ‘mess with your trading’.

 

Spread (is) the word

Comparing spreads on the currencies you most often trade is a good first way to draw up a short list of brokers.

Some sites with quite good comparative spread tables are:

http://mt4spreads.com/

http://www.100forexbrokers.com/compare-forex-brokers-spreads

http://www.mt4i.com/spread/symbol.aspx?symbolid=3

For the two pairs the trades you should only accept a broker if it offers spreads that are less than 2.0 pips for the EURUSD and 3.0 for the AUDUSD on average.

Not only are you doing yourself a disservice by paying more, but at higher spreads, something else comes into play: a change in the pricefeed. And while paying a bit more spread may seem acceptable, the alteration of pricefeed may actually negatively impact your trading results a lot more than you think. For example, might be coded to trigger a signal at the Ask price or to close a long trade at Ask. Now, the larger your spread, the more risk you run of missing the entry signal or fail to close this trade successfully.

 

The impact of pricefeed on your results

Probably the most undervalued feature when comparing brokers is the pricefeed. We’ve all heard about it and mentioned it int his article already a few times. But what is it and how does it influence the results?

Well, as we’ve seen above, some brokers have their ‘own’ pricefeeds (Dealers with own orderbook) while others rely on pricefeeds from their liquidity providers.

The concept behind the pricefeed is actually very simple: It describes when and how the bars are formed on your chart. For every tick that comes in, a new price is established and a new part of the bar is drawn. Since every tick represents a trade that took place, the more ticks you receive from your broker, the more realistic the pricefeed. This means your broker has access to lots of liquidity and prices probably reflect the current market situation accurately.

To illustrate this, take a quick glance at the two screenshots below. Don’t read the comments yet. And decide which broker you like best. Click the images to enlarge them.

TulipFX Profitable Forex Trading   pricefeed audusd dd The Impact of your Broker Choice on your Trading Results

TulipFX Profitable Forex Trading   pricefeed audusd ecn The Impact of your Broker Choice on your Trading Results

 

Now, how can differences in pricefeed impact our trading?

Have a look at the screenshot below.

TulipFX Profitable Forex Trading   pricefeed diff trades The Impact of your Broker Choice on your Trading Results

 

Note: On both brokers, TP was hit and all positions were closed in a nice total net . However, the first broker (left) took just longer to reach TP.

This is just one example of how pricefeeds that may appear totally similar to the eye, can impact results rather drastically when trading.

 

Demo versus Live accounts

Once you’ve selected a good broker and you’re ready to test your EAs in forward testing, you might be in for another surprise. As just about everyone tells you in this business, you should test your EAs on a demo account first. We agree with that to a certain point.

Have you ever noticed that your EA makes tons of money on demo, you get all excited, start dreaming about that new Porsche or sailing yacht, rush to open a live account only to discover your actual live results are completely different from what you first expected?

I think we can all relate to this situation from experience.

Here’s what happens.

First of all, demo accounts do not suffer from lack of liquidity. So you always get filled on the price you requested. No slippage. This is especially true for the so-called Asian scalpers. They trade during low liquidity times after NY close and before Asian open. On demo, all looks fantastic, but on a live account, you will get slipped and this can results in less profits or even losses.

Second, most brokers don’t offer the same pricefeed for demo and live accounts. There might be a difference in spread, or a slight delay of the demo feed, impacting the way the EA trades.

So next time you put an EA on demo, make sure the pricefeed is the same as the live account. Check with your broker, and ask them about this.

And please do realize demo results will seldomly reflect your results on a live account due to slippage.

 

Honesty is such a simple word

Once you have gotten your head around all the technicalities of a broker and understand how the odds might even be more stacked against you than you initially thought, the next series of questions that should come to mind: Will my money be safe with this broker? Where does the broker operate? Is the broker regulated by an authority which has a reputation for being prudent and studious in its monitoring of brokers? That is – is the broker regulated in the US? Britain? Australia? Or are they regulated in Central America? Indonesia?

As a general rule, the European Union, the USA and Australia offer the most rigorous regulation. Russia, Central America are known to offer less strict regulations. So stick to those regulated in well-regarded countries and who display their license number on their websites. When considering a broker, ask them for their license number and verify it. A Google search can verify their claims easily.

Finally, when something does go a bit wrong, you want good customer service. So test them out. Give them a call, have a live chat and have a general conversation. Ask them about regulation, any EA or trading restrictions, slippage, spreads during rollover time, cost of carry (swaps) and deposit and withdrawal methods and times. They should be happy to answer all those questions in full.

A good point of reference before making the decision to jump into bed with a broker is to check out the Forex Peace Army broker review pages(http://www.forexpeacearmy.com/public/forex_broker_reviews)  – with public comments from traders just like you and me.

Another nice start to look for brokers and get the quick overview of what’s available, have a look at http://www.100forexbrokers.com/.

 

OK, so now what?

We feel we’ve covered a lot of ground here, and you might be more confused now than you were when you first started reading this article. We apologize if that’s the case and we’ll try to sum it up for you below by giving you some pointers when selecting a broker.

Here’s the beef of what we consider important when selecting brokers.

Quick Broker Selection Checklist:

  • ECN broker, 5-digits, fees based on commissions
  • Fast execution, low spreads
  • Sufficient liquidity (ticks/second is high)
  • Regulated by reliable authority
  • Offers segregated accounts
  • Good ratings/feeback on FPA (ForexPeaceArmy.com)

Examples that would fit this profile:

  • Alpari (NDD/ECN account – not the micro account)
  • GoMarkets
  • Pepperstone (both regular and Razor)
  • The Collective FX
  • ATC
  • FXPRo, etc.

Our Recommendation:

TulipFX Profitable Forex Trading   PepperStone logo2 The Impact of your Broker Choice on your Trading Results TulipFX Profitable Forex Trading   CFX logo The Impact of your Broker Choice on your Trading Results

We use PepperStone and The Collective FX on all our live accounts and recommend using PepperStone if you’re looking for a good trustworthy broker.
Another good broker is FinFX but they’re not (yet) officially registered in Europe.

Closing arguments:

As a final note: Do your own due diligence..! Google for the broker. Read feedback on forums. Participate in discussions. Demo the EAs for a while on the broker platform and compare results with those shared on forums or on sites that track accounts (MTI, .com, etc).

We hope we shed some light on the difference between brokers and the impact brokers can have on your live trading results. So next time you’re wondering why you ‘did not get that trade’ and your trading buddy did, you might want to investigate your broker a bit more…

As one of our TulipFX team members always says: “You can get a Porsche, but what good does it do if you can drive it on a dirt road only?”

 

Wishing you all the best in your trading, and we hope we clarified some things for you!

Dutch & Ozzie.The Impact of your Broker Choice on your Trading Results, 4.9 out of 5 based on 18 ratings

  1. Alastair Brissenden04-18-11

    Thanks, excellent article. Now I just have to find that smooth tarmac road to fit with my Porsche!

  2. Abdulwakeel Oduntan04-18-11

    Nice article,keep up with the good work Dutch n Ozzie

  3. Stan Fralick04-18-11

    Great article. But leaves me with a question. I have a demo running on MBT. On 4/18 kangaroo took 5 trades on EU and lost about 190 pips. When I check your demo (MBT #2) I see that Kangaroo took only 3 trades and lost only 48.8 pips. Since we both use the same broker, we should have the same feed, and presumably take the same trades. My EA is set at default, risk 5. The trades were made roughly at the same times, but not exactly. Any explanation?

    • Ozzie04-20-11

      Hi Stan,

      It seems you used a AUDUSD set file as the EU will only open 3 trades at a time. The AUDUSD and EURUSD have different variable settings so it is important not to mix up any set files you may be using.

      Please double check your settings. Make sure they are default with only the risk setting changed to suit your risk tolerance level.

  4. Will Goldsby04-18-11

    Correct me if im wrong but that leaves alpari uk pro $20k start up and MB trading which IIRC you dont like because they have messed about with their MT4 too much. Also I understand what you are trying to say with your porsche saying but change it to a ferrari/lambo or something that doesnt have a rallying history.

    http://www.cars-wallpapers.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/porsche-959-rally.jpg

    • Dutch04-18-11

      Well, not really. There are tons of good ECN brokers out there. See our list or have a look at the links we posted.
      Plenty of choice.

      What we were trying to get across here is that traders should realize brokers can have a large impact on trading and that EAs (no matter which EA) will behave differently across brokers and even across accounts at the same broker. We tried to explain what to look for and what to avoid.

    • Ozzie04-19-11

      Hi Will,

      We have redone the trade management from KangarooEA 4.1 onwards to cope with MBTrading’s alternative MT4 rules – so no problems there anymore.

      Your suggestion about naming a Ferarri rather then a Porche is valid. Dutch and I obviously aren’t car enthusiasts as we had no idea that Porche made a rally car! :)

  5. pierfrancesco di fenza04-18-11

    Very good informative article. Well done.

  6. John Sampson04-19-11

    I like IAMFx and FinFX as brokers with one pip commissions and a good feed.
    FxPro (Cyprus with a UK Office) seem to have good service -although I’ve seen some criticisms of them. I have only used them on demo – so they may well be live turkeys (gobble/gobble/gobble your pips)

    Kangaroo should be called MOLE. Very impressed today with the way it dug itself out of a huge hole and turned the mound of dirt into pips. A pipworthy excavator without parallel.

  7. Dave Ruscelli04-19-11

    you are the best, very professional.

    I’m taking a look to the CFX broker, because I’ve seen it’s giving to your ea the best performance. They have many kind of accounts and I think different account means different performance, so I would lile to evaluating to open the same kind account you opened. what type of account did you open with them?

  8. Attila Hofferek04-19-11

    Thanks for the informative article. Will possible some time to run kanga on more than one demo acc?

  9. Alex Byrd04-20-11

    Thank you guys for this post, I really wish other traders would get to see more information like this. I see your one live account on myfxbook is utilizing “The Collective FX” broker and the rest are on demo….. without being too suggestive, why did you pick them for your one live account? Unfortunately their site is down at the moment but I’d assume they fit the majority or all of the criteria listed for positive brokers.

    • Ozzie04-20-11

      Hi Alex,

      Yes we think all traders should know the information – which is why we did the blog. Please tell traders about this blog so they can read about what brokers really get up to as well.

      We use the CollectiveFX simply because that is the broker we use for our personal accounts – so is the one we use for our live demonstration account. Dutch and I have been happy with their performance. You sacrifice some ‘ease of use’ with their service but their feed and platform is good. At the moment I believe they are not taking any new members and I don’t know when that will change.

  10. Hiroko Myojin04-21-11

    I have a question on Magic number.

    I checked the log to identify the magic number and it seems that for EUR/USD, magic number runs as 1101, 2102, 3103, 4104….

    but for AUD/USD, I only found 1001 although the manual says it runs as 1001, 2002, 3003, 4004…. Why is that?

    To manage other EAs, I need to make sure of this.

    • Dutch04-21-11

      KangarooEA AUDUSD also might use 2002, 3003 and 4004. It just has not happened recently.
      When using other EAs, avoid using these Magic Numbers as well to prevent any potential conflict of order management.

  11. Tim Ware04-21-11

    Hi guys, been enjoying all that I’ve been reading about your product.

    In terms of Australian brokers, it seems that all of them are regulated by ASIC, which I’m guessing makes everything a lot more stable than some of the overseas brokers.

    Would you say there is much difference between each of the Aussie brokers, in terms of EA efficiencies? There doesn’t seem to be a lot of information / reviews out there.

    Would it be safe just to make my decision based on no dealing desk and lowest spreads?

    • Ozzie04-24-11

      Hi Tim,

      Yes, Pepperstone and GoMarkets seem to be well regulated and offer a good platform to trade with. Clients have reported good results on both brokers. Personally I do not think there is much between them. Perhaps its worth giving them a call and seeing which you personally prefer.

  12. david lord04-27-11

    I’m currently using axitrader as my broker, the spreads are reasonably low, they are Aussie, and the kangaroo EA is trading profitably so far.

    The customer service is pretty good as well. So thumbs up from me so far.

Leave a Reply

You must be logged in to post a comment.

  1. FX Trading using VSA and AMT05-05-11
  2. Tools brokers use to take your money08-11-11